A Confederacy Of Something Or Other: My Much-Anticipated Broad Summit Post-Game Analysis

by anna on 10.21.2009

I stole this picture from Design Mom. I'm hoping she doesn't make me take it down.

I stole this picture from Design Mom. I'm hoping she doesn't make me take it down.

Internet, I had not planned on writing about The Broad Summit, a conference? social gathering? world peace rally? that was thrown a few weeks back in Northern California for a group of about 30 female bloggers. Because even if the event View definition in a new window caused a bit of a stir among the mommyblogosphere, involving the usual wave of jealousy and hurt feelings that are part and parcel of events like these, I figured that none of this was really news for us from a business perspective. I prefer to analyze these kinds of dust-ups by asking questions such as e.g. how does an event/ set of actions strengthen (or weaken) the blogosphere as an industry? how will this event/these actions reflect on me as a businesswoman in the same industry? is this a model that I can/should adopt for my own business? and the like. Because for me, blogging is first and foremost a business endeavor: if I have fun and make friends in the process, then so much the better, but my primary goal is to strengthen the business model of the blog itself and this informs everything I do here and elsewhere in the blogosphere. And I didn’t really see how hurt feelings over not being invited to a private party could be construed as a business concern.

I stole this from Jenny The Bloggess' Flickr photostream. I'm really hoping she doesn't make me take it down.

But now it’s two weeks later and we’re still being subjected to recaps of the Broad Summit View definition in a new window and all of the inspirational wonders that occurred there, and my interest has been peaked by what I’m learning about the sponsors of the event: who they were, how/why they were used, how they were pitched. Because I was going on the assumption that this was a private party, and now I’m not so sure. I have seen it suggested that it was a private party, but I have also seen things that indicate otherwise, and what I suspect is that The Broad Summit was somewhere in between the two, and as such it raises interesting questions about the monetization of blogging: are we moms, or are we writers? Are we businesspeople, or are we friends? If we are friends, then why does DDF Skincare have a banner up? I think that the source of the quiet, but decidedly frosty reception of The Broad Summit by the bulk of mommyblogging community is this indecision, and coincidentally, this is a recurring problematic of female identity in The World since, oh, the beginning of time. Are we public, or are we private? We are both. Like it or not, we are judged as agents of both the public and the private spheres simultaneously, and when you choose to take actions that further blur these lines, or when you choose to ignore the niceties of one sphere or the other, you will be criticized. I don’t think this is news to anyone. This is life as a woman: hear us roar.

The broad summit invitations.

The broad summit invitations.

On Choices, Both of Words And of Invitees, And On Hierarchies, Both Real And Imagined

The summit is located at the very top of a mountain, far beyond the reach of the average climber. This primary etymology frames the use of the word “summit” in all other contexts, whether it is deployed as a reference to an achievement of the highest caliber, or to a meeting of the most powerful heads of government in the service of some collective higher good. Even when “summit” modified by a tongue-in-cheek use of anachronistic misogyny circa late 1940s America, “summit” suggests a gathering of extreme and necessary exclusivity, the type of thing we are willing to allow to happen because we feel it is necessary, that things of importance will be discussed and decided upon there, by people whom we have entrusted our fate in such important matters as world peace, nuclear disarmerment, global economic stability.

A summit to drink wine out of crazy straws? Not so much.

Words are chosen for a reason, even in jest: I believe this. So when I see something called a Broad Summit, I have to think about the terminology used and why it was chosen. I give it more thought, even, than perhaps the people who named the Broad Summit in the first place, because I believe, as Freud has it, that language is always already overdetermined, and that the meaning in a set of words is not always consciously articulated even by the wordsmith. But that the lack of a conscious decision does not suggest that these kinds of meanings are accidental.

If this is a meeting of the highest powers in our industry, then I have a few questions to pose, foremost of which is how were the attendees chosen? Summit attendees are ordinarily elected or appointed officials that represent the concerns of a community as a whole. Helen Jane says that this was to be a “mini-retreat with a small group of friends –- or people [we’d] like to know better,” which supports what Maggie Mason had to say about the attendee list: “all these women have meant so much to me, some of them are close friends, some my inspirations, but every one of them has enhanced my life in some way. For me, this weekend is a thank you for everything they’ve done to make my life better.” These descriptions are heartwarming, but they still raise some questions for longtime bloggers: why these people and not others? Because it is not Maggie Mason View definition in a new window’s “Blogroll in 3-D,” strictly speaking, as she suggested it would be: where was Dooce (did breastfeeding keep her away? Is she not able to “drink wine and talk about smart things”? Or was it because The Bloggess was there, and things might have been awkward?), or Sara Brown? &c.

Hey look! Free earrings. From Gwen Bell's Flickr Photostream.

Hey look! Free earrings. From Gwen Bell's Flickr Photostream.

But more interesting to me than the people who weren’t there are the people who were invited for undisclosed reasons. Like Jean Aw (of Notcot.org, a set of design and fashion related sites that gets over 3,220,000 pageviews per month and is represented by Federated Media) is not even on Maggie’s blogroll, neither is Dorothy McGivney (who used to work for Google, but now writes a travel blog and has connections in the travel industry) of Jauntsetter, and neither is Asha Dornfest of Parent Hacks (a highly respected parenting site that is represented by Federated Media). For kicks, I cross-referenced the blogrolls of other Broad Summit organizers to see if these bloggers were featured on other blogrolls, but they are not on Aubrey Sabala’s blogroll, either, and Helen Jane and Laura Mayes don’t have blogrolls posted. We must assume that these bloggers figure heavily into those Google Reader lists that we cannot see, because otherwise it would mean that these bloggers were invited to an event despite the fact that nobody who organized the event reads their blogs. And why would somebody do that?

So who are these people, then? Are they friends? People who the organizers thought might get along well? People who they wanted to meet, but never had the chance? In her own words, Helen Jane “would not have been invited to this event were [she] not throwing it. Period.” And Melissa Summers felt she was “incredibly fortunate” to have been invited. These comments suggest that there is some kind of hierarchy involved in the invitee list, if we hadn’t already figured that out by just looking at it. So let me be the one to clear up the confusion on how the invitees were chosen. They were chosen based upon their classification into one or more of four groups, with some overlap among the categories in certain cases:

  1. Maggie Mason’s Friends, aka The Old Guard;
  2. Bloggers Who Have Clout Of Some Form (Pageviews, popularity, respect in community), aka The New Guard;
  3. Maggie Mason’s Blogroll; and
  4. Bloggers Who Have Sponsorship Connections.

The percentages of the invitee list are as follows: 30% are Maggie’s friends and the Old Guard; 23% are Bloggers With Clout Of Some Form, aka The New Guard; 26% are from Maggie’s blogroll, and 6% are probable sponsorship connections. Here’s the thing, though: who they invite is up to them. It might make us think of them as elitist douchebags, but then we’re free to throw our own parties whenever we want and not invite them, right? But on the other hand, this was not an exclusively personal, private-sphere event, as is shown by Melissa Summers‘ comment that she “learned more about how people are making their websites pay them for their hard work and was inspired to keep focusing on making this site what I want it to be, without giving away content or being taken advantage of by corporations who see blogs as a free advertising service,” something that presumably she would have already learned from one of her own friends in The Old Guard, had they known such things prior to the event. In fact, that kind of information could only have come from a few select sources on the invitee list, and when you design an event to share information like that, then you are starting to veer into reasons why people might think you’re a douchebag. Because when your event has a high percentage of people who wield some kind of power within a community — a fact of which you are clearly aware, since you’ve named the event a “summit” — then people start to get nervous. Because not only are you saying that there is a hierarchy here (which we all already know, but which we’ve implicitly agreed to keep our mouths shut about so that we might someday hope to be included in that hierarchy), you are saying that this hierarchy is something you intend to take active steps to safeguard. You start looking like you are taking steps to keep out the great unwashed.

And that is when people start getting pissed.

Sponsors couldn't make presentations, but they could make displays. Via Design Mom's Flickr Photostream.

Sponsors couldn't make presentations, but they could make displays. Via Design Mom's Flickr Photostream.

Sponsorship

Do I have a problem with using sponsors to throw yourself a party? Not at all: I think that corporate sponsors are responsible for spending their money wisely. Insofar as you can make them pay for you to “learn about wine” and eat from taco trucks, I encourage you to do so. I have heard through the grapevine that Maggie Mason made no secret that her primary purpose in publishing her life list View definition in a new window is to get sponsors for her trips around the world, and to give her and her friends things for free. I really cannot blame her for this approach, and if she can exploit it, I say more power to her. So yes, have a social event, invite your friends, even get somebody else to foot the bill, if you can. Awesome! The only issue I have, really, with sponsorship is that I don’t want the way sponsors are used by people now to affect how they might view me in the future. If sponsors feel they are getting a good return by sending Maggie Mason and Melissa Summers View definition in a new window to Costa Rica, then that’s awesome. Because when I approach them with a project, I don’t want to have them citing a past experience with a blogger as a reason why they don’t want to fund my project. So as long as everybody is remaining happy in these deals, I cannot see a problem with it from a business perspective.

That said, I was initially very dubious about how a sponsor could possibly be getting a good deal out of funding something like the Broad Summit. There were less than 30 bloggers there, and if you add up the pageviews per month of all of their websites together, you are still way below Pioneer Woman’s pageview count per month. Take out Jean Aw, and you’ve got significantly less than Dooce View definition in a new window. I don’t know how much money the sponsors gave, but I do know that none of the attendees were running Broad Summit ads on their sites, much less giving Toyota and other sponsors space. And the website thrown together for the Broad Summit could not possibly be generating enough traffic to make exposure worth their while on that front. But as the Broad Summit recaps kept coming, then I started digging around, because why are these bloggers dwelling on an event that was over two weeks ago? Why would they keep posting recaps to an audience that is already kind of uncomfortable with the whole thing? Well, maybe because they have to?

I stole this picture from Design Mom. I'm hoping she doesn't make me take it down.

I stole this picture from Design Mom. I'm hoping she doesn't make me take it down.

Maggie Mason is on her third Broad Summit recap. Design Mom has featured several extraordinarily detailed posts over the course of the past two weeks, together with beautiful photos, that detail exactly what each sponsor did. For example, in a post called “Old & New Friends,” she writes:

Some [of the sponsors] were companies I’ve been a fan of for ages — like Flickr. And some I’m excited to get to know — like Typekit. I thought Typekit’s presentation was especially cool. They offered all attendees a year long subscription to their font service (I’m really looking forward to trying this out). And because it’s hard to wrap up something like an internet service subscription, they attached the card to rustic metal letters . . .

She also mentioned the “Zicam Yoga Session,” which sounds like Dole sponsoring the Jungle Ride at Disneyland to me, and featured a photo. She is careful to explain that

Sponsors weren’t allowed to make any formal presentations about their products, so I wondered how they would participate. I loved Zicam’s solutions (future event sponsors: take note!). 1) They left a thoughtful hangover kit (remember the packed schedule of wine + wine + more wine) on each attendee’s bed — filled with soothing little products to ease dehydrated bodies. 2) They hosted a morning yoga session taught by Gwen Bell. I confess, I did not participate (I opted for extra sleep. I always opt for extra sleep.), but doesn’t it look inviting? And visually pleasing?

These posts are so detailed, in fact, that I started to wonder if they were otherwise sponsored, like this one for DDF Skincare, which is almost like a product placement. If it is indeed a product placement, then that is remarkably well-orchestrated sponsorship, particularly since I don’t believe that Design Mom had anything to do with procuring sponsors for the event. And if it isn’t, then that means that the sponsors of this event are probably getting a decent return on their investment, which I admit was a shock to me. I do wonder what, if anything, Design Mom is getting out of the deal, though.

And Finally, A Note On Alcohol.

As a recovering alcoholic, it is very hard for me to weigh in on the alcohol issue without everyone dismissing me as a teetotaler, and this is why I’ve never really spoken up on this topic before. That said, I would be lying if I didn’t admit that the degree to which alcohol is involved in mommyblogging events and degree to which it is talked about in blogs troubles me. I don’t have a problem with people who can handle their alcohol drinking alcohol: if I were one of you, I would certainly join you. However, I think there’s a reason why, outside of Mad Men episodes, you don’t see a lot of professionals getting toasted while they work. It’s tough to be professional when you are drunk. So if the event is first and foremost a social endeavor, then by all means drink to your heart’s desire. But if you are going to have sponsors for your event, and put up a website (however ill-trafficked) with the names of those sponsors on it, I would think you would want to make it at least appear like you are doing something of interest there other than getting drunk. And I don’t think this occurred at the Broad Summit, since Zicam’s contribution to the event was to provide “hangover cure kits.” I hate to be the one to break it to you, but drunk people are not very interesting to anybody, except maybe other drunk people, and even this is debatable. Trust me on this: this is one area in which I’m an expert.

You can dress it up as “learning about wine” (and I will spare you my thoughts about what wine connoisseurship is, at its heart, because it’s really not the point of this post), but the bottom line is that this obsession with alcohol in the mommyblogosphere is not professional. Sponsors look at mommybloggers like we’re a bunch of lushes who have to be drunk in order to handle being around each other. Do you think they look at their other sponsorship opportunities this way? Do you think that Tiger Woods is getting hangover kits from Nike? And what about the three pregnant women and the two Mormons who attended the Broad Summit? Did you send them wine splits with their invites, too? Or perhaps a little bottle of chocolate milk or something, to match the crazy straw? Alcohol is part of doing business, particularly at social gatherings. I understand this and don’t have a problem with it. But when the alcohol takes center stage — no matter how much you try to class it up with food pairings and the like — I think it starts to make the whole community look pretty bush league. And because of that, I wish we could just give it a rest with the boozing.

I have some other thoughts about this event, but I’ve already been going on for almost 3000 words and I think it’s time to open this up to the community at large. Unlike my usual posts on these topics, I find myself at the end without a decidedly linear argument to make about what The Broad Summit means for the blogosphere as an industry. I would like to say that the event looked beautiful and like there was a lot of fun to be had, and that I recognize the unusual position in which the invitees were placed: had I been invited to the Broad Summit, I’m honestly not sure what I would have done. On the one hand, I would have been excited, flattered, and I would have wanted to attend for obvious reasons. But on the other, I would have worried about the fallout from attending an event like this, much less from sponsoring or organizing it. I do wonder if others felt the same.

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Kerry October 21, 2009 at 5:48 am

That was worth the wait.

I agree with you about the alcohol (and I’m not a recovering alcoholic). It seems pervasive in the mommyblogging world, and I’m not sure why. I’m amazed at how many banners include some theme that revolves around mommy’s *need* for a drink, and how many posts refer to hangovers.

It’s also interesting to me a bunch of female businesswomen would rather say, “Oh, it was just a bunch of friends and admirers getting together to enjoy wine and have fun” than “We picked the movers and shakers in our industry to get together to talk about how to effectively work with sponsors to maximize profits.” I wonder if a bunch of male bloggers would make the same choice. Women tend to self-trivialize sometimes, so as not to seem so threatening.

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anna October 21, 2009 at 8:17 am

Yes! Exactly! Why do we have to play it down or pretend like something’s happening that is not? I think people would have had less hurt feelings if they had said “this is a business event, a networking event, and we are inviting people we think are important to this event” than with the whole, “this is just a private party,” thing. People know not to get their feelings hurt over business stuff. They might have been jealous, but the likelihood is that this jealousy would have translated into harder work, more ambition, instead of sniping! Good point!

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jonniker October 21, 2009 at 8:24 am

Yes, but I think part of the business aspect of it required that women feel envy related to the event, especially if it could potentially be marketed later (I am not convinced that isn’t part of the strategy, despite protests). Part of Maggie’s persona is that of neat little exclusive design maven on the Internet, and making things exclusive and pretty and “Look at us! We’re all FRIENDS!” was the only way it would have worked, I think, to satisfy at least some of the goals.

Billing it as a business event would have really taken something away from the desired tone of the summit, and the complexity and appeal to woman’s psyches therein is an entirely different, yet no less perplexing, kettle of fish.

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anna October 21, 2009 at 8:49 am

Good points, you may be right. It might be important to try to maintain an aura of “Oh we never wanted this to get commercial, it just did because it is so AWESOME, corporate America just kind of showed up.” And you are right, women are tricky — pissing people off might just end up being the smartest move they made, I have no way of knowing.

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beth aka confusedhomemaker October 21, 2009 at 7:36 am

I agree with you on the alcohol, the focus seems to be on getting drunk & there is a stereotype emerging about women as mothers in business. It doesn’t seem professional to me. For the record, I enjoy a drink & poking fun of the social construction of alcohol. However, if it’s a business relationship drinking heavily doesn’t add up to me as a professional way to handle oneself. I’ve been surprised at the focus by event planners, sponsors, and the participants in these events on the need for getting drunk in a professional setting. It’s not having a drink while talking “shop” it’s getting plastered or at least that’s the image.

Kerry’s point is right on about women in business. Why is it that women in business aren’t willing to be seen as business women? There is no shame in it, call a spade a spade. If you are having a weekend to form relationships that are rooted in a common business then acknowledge that aspect, sponsors are present so it’s not just a loose gathering where business comes up. I’ve noticed another thing coming up a lot when the professional/business side is discussed with blogging. There’s the justification that blogging is “just a hobby” when the business side comes up if someone is making money from it & it involves business deals it’s no longer a side hobby. Yes, for a lot of people it is just a hobby but the professional angle can’t & shouldn’t be ignored. We should be able to discuss it from a business & professional standpoint without it seeming like a personal attack, which I believe you did an excellent job of here. Covering all the points & bringing up some good food for thought.

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anna October 21, 2009 at 8:21 am

Beth, alcohol is a tough one because it is a part of business and there isn’t any reason not to enjoy a drink, provided you’re not a drunk like me. But the fetishizing of it, well, to be honest it reminds me a little of myself back in my drinking days. I was young and I thought it was super cool, and I wanted everybody to drink with me. Which is fine, I guess, but it’s not professional at all.

I think that people need to stop saying blogging is a hobby, if it’s not. For some people, it is legitimately a hobby. But for some it’s not, and they’re playing it down, like it’s not important, I guess because they don’t want to be seen to fail. The thing is, this is a new industry, and the monetization strategies are not all tested or completely foolproof. Nobody is exactly sure how blogs will generate income exactly in years to come, but that doesn’t mean that they won’t generate income. Look at it this way: if you can mobilize a hundred thousand people to do something, you have power in the market. That is what blogging is. It is up to us to figure out how to attach money to that mobilization. People are not thinking long-term here.

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beth aka confusedhomemaker October 21, 2009 at 9:34 am

Yea, I don’t have an issue with alcohol being part of the social network aspect of business. I do have a problem with the creation of an image that moms who blog have to drink (and drink heavily) to talk “shop”, be social, or just enjoy life that I find problematic & unprofessional. Setting a stage that mothers in this new business model don’t need to be taken seriously. It’s the focus on the drinking side over & above business side that seems different than other areas where business uses alcohol as part of it’s informal business networking. It’s not this invitation being wine or discussion of hangover kits that is the only thing, I’m thinking how for Blogher I have read more about how plastered everyone got (that & free things) than any business/professional model that was gained formally or informally (e.g. great connection with so-so). Or how so many blogs play into the image of the unhappy middle-class woman who hates motherhood & has to escape from it, it’s popular today but really there is a blacklash attached to that kind of stereotype creating for business both professionally & personally.

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Miss Britt October 21, 2009 at 8:30 am

I’ve spent most of my career in male-dominated sales industries. Having booze as the main ingredient of a business deal is something I’m familiar with, if not necessarily comfortable with. it was always a fact of business – you get someone liquored up and show them a good time and they are more likely to do business with you. You get them drunk enough to do something stupid, and you’re more likely to get more than your fare share of their company’s dime.

Salesmen at least are open and upfront about it.

I saw this Broad Summit thing and was puzzled by it. It doesn’t seem like a good business move to flaunt your elitism. Unless you’re in Hollywood.

But, then again, I come from a sales background. Our job was always to make ourselves seem more accessible. We had exclusive parties for the top sales people – but it was a spot you earned through clear criteria. Did those who attended think they were better than those they didn’t? Of course. But we always maintained the appearance of accessibility – because you too could be here if you did X, Y, Z.

Perhaps blogging is actually more akin to the Hollywood business model. The goal is to appear as famous and inaccessible as possible. To constantly affirm that you are better and worthy of being followed by virtue of the fact that you can have and do things that others can’t.

I don’t know. The whole thing is strange… but definitely food for thought.

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anna October 21, 2009 at 8:52 am

Britt, did you read Seth Godin’s thing the other day about overheated business models being like Hollywood or high school? Because I think that’s exactly what you are saying here. It might well be that this is the stage we’re in for this business. But in my mind, getting sponsors to pay for stuff might be cool, but it’s not really a business model. I want them to give me an income, not pay for me to go to Greece.

Here’s the Seth Godin post for anyone who missed it. I love Seth Godin (not that this makes me any different from anyone else!): The Rule of High School

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Kerry October 21, 2009 at 9:10 am

That’s exactly it. I don’t want free Zicam. I want money, so I can use it to go to Walgreen’s and buy my own Zicam (or, more accurately, to buy the generic version of Zicam and use the leftover money to buy a Reese’s pumpkin and a can of pop).

I have no interest in a business in which I am paid in products. I want cash. Then I can choose what products I want to cash. I can’t pay my mortgage in Zicam.

(Ironically, I am chewing on a Zicam right this minute. Their product is great. I have no beef with them. My beef is with women who are scared to say, “I’m a businessperson, and this is a business.” Why is that something to be ashamed of? Anyone who is doing all of this just for the “community” or whatever is a little nuts, or maybe is already independently wealthy…but mostly, they’re nuts).

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anna October 21, 2009 at 12:52 pm

So you know I never had even heard of Zicam before this? Maybe this marketing scheme is more effective than we had realized.

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Miss Britt October 21, 2009 at 9:29 am

I am SO with you on that! (and I had read that post, actually)

Even in Hollywood, they don’t do it for the free stuff. They do it for the checks they get for their work. The free stuff and elitism is simply a marketing method for getting the paying jobs.

Hmmm… maybe THAT’s what this is??

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anna October 21, 2009 at 12:53 pm

Interesting. This would explain how one gets a gig like Momversation, for example.

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Alias Mother October 21, 2009 at 1:40 pm

I admit that since I am one of those folks for whom blogging is completely a hobby (and one I often neglect, at that) my interest in all of the developments in blogging culture is purely intellectual. So thank you for an interesting break-down of what seemed an odd and puzzling event. No one seems clear about the “why” of this, including the organizers, and I agree that part of the discomfort around this is that its purpose is so murky.

This is what I do know:

If it was a conference or marketing effort, the sponsors got taken because the entire episode seems to be playing very poorly.

If it was a business summit or meeting, my years as a meeting organizer tells me that it was an ineffective one since no one seems to know why they were there, what the outcomes were supposed to be, or what the plan of action is now.

If it was a party, etiquette tells me that it was a tacky one since I believe (though I don’t have my Emily Post handy) that it is considered very ill-mannered to parade a party before those who weren’t invited.

Remember a few years ago when Starr Jones got married and practically walked down the aisle with a corporate logo on her back and we all thought it was unbelievably tacky? I miss those days. But then, I’m an old-fashioned kind of girl.

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anna October 21, 2009 at 1:51 pm

LOL! I do remember Star Jones. I can’t help but feeling like this was just a way of getting sponsors to foot the bill for a drinking party, with a kind of networking element thrown in as a second thought. I would like to say there’s more of a business plan involved, but I’m really skeptical. I am probably not giving them enough credit, though.

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crunchy October 21, 2009 at 1:45 pm

Oh my..what a great post! And yeah..I find with the booze (and I don’t really attend ANY events) and ‘mommies’ it is viewed and treated very Desperate Housewives.

And it is part of how women/moms are treated at these conferences.
The irony of mothers being respected as the big consumer decision makers in the family being treated like girls out for a spa weekend with treats galore.

Can you imagine a tech conference setting it up like these things?
Are the men getting hang over kits?

Would even DADS be treated the same way as they all do at these things.

Do all women centered conferences etc have to be all touchy feely ‘sistah’ type events?
Can we not have frank discussions about the business of blogging – money making, advertising, whatever without all the frills?

And totally with the old guard vs the new guard.

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anna October 21, 2009 at 1:52 pm

I don’t think they usually are very touchy-feely. I think there’s potentially a lot of bitchiness and backstabbing. But women are supposed to be nice, and supposed to appear as though they are promoting sisterhood and all that. We are taught to do this. So I think this is part of the deal.

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crunchy October 21, 2009 at 2:00 pm

but if always feels FAKE because of the bitchiness that WE KNOW is what people are feeling and saying..behind our backs!

I think with blogging and business and the business of blogging AND mommy blogging and being a parents or whatever is that THERE IS NO SISTERHOOD. We are all different with different views/lifestyles etc…we all blog or do business online for various reasons…mostly revolving around money or fame!

I think women need to be more honest..but then maybe that is where the booze comes in!

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anna October 21, 2009 at 2:06 pm

Maybe. Maybe the most honest part of this whole thing was that picture where Maggie is holding a meat cleaver and pretending to be killing The Bloggess?! I hope not.

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Kerry October 21, 2009 at 2:15 pm

Yeah, hey, what was the deal with that picture? I totally didn’t get that at all, but I assumed it was because I had never heard of most of the attendees (in fact, The Bloggess is the only one I read). That was part of the amusement for me, because I got that they were supposed to be celebrities, but I had no clue who most of them were.

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anna October 21, 2009 at 2:06 pm

I don’t know, maybe everybody signed non-disclosure agreements in exchange for their hangover kits? If so, that’s smart.

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Lisa October 21, 2009 at 2:07 pm

This is really the first I’ve heard of it. I had always been bummed about missing the mommy-blogging conventions, but what you said about the frivolous nature of it all would really bug me, too.

I hope that if I ever get to go to a conference, it’s jam-packed with SERIOUS things that will help me make more money in less time. I don’t think that I’d be too interested in facials, spa treatments or comparing each other’s shoes.

Perhaps, if you decide to throw a sponsored mom-blogging event, you can stress that it’s a SERIOUS thing. I’m not against a party, either on the first day to bring everyone together or on the last day to wrap it all up, but the night after night of drinking would turn me off, too.

And if you host it at the top of a mountain, perhaps we can squeeze in a day hike. Just a thought.

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anna October 21, 2009 at 2:21 pm

Lisa, at BlogHer there are plenty of sessions to go to that involve serious issues. I do think that most conferences are this way, but the stuff that gets written about are the parties. What I learned is that people safeguard their information, though, so I might have lots to learn from networking with some of these people, but I’m not necessarily going to get a whole lot out of going to a seminar on html or whatever. So the value, such as it is, at a conference is often not going to be found unless you go to the parties.

If I ever host a summit, it will be at sea level or below. I’m not crazy.

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anna October 21, 2009 at 2:18 pm

You know what happens when you read over your writing again, you realize stuff you missed. Design Mom says that sponsors were not allowed to make presentations, and then she says that she especially enjoyed typekit’s “presentation.” Maybe the only thing was that you can’t make a presentation unless your company is owned/operated by Brian Mason?

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Jenny, Bloggess October 21, 2009 at 2:32 pm

Of course you can use my photo, chica. But next time just email me. I would have been happy to fill you in on the party and give you a better copy of the photo. It was a very nice party but there wasn’t any espionage or baby-roasting or pressure to blog about it or to join the Death Eaters or anything else I expected. In fact, when I left I apologized to Maggie because I’d really assumed that at some point there would be drama and back-biting and meanness and it never happened. It made me feel bad that I immediately assumed that a group of women would not be able to get together and *not* be mean or start gossiping and judging others. I never even heard people talk about their blogs (although I was hiding in my room with anxiety attacks a bit.) It was eye-opening to me how much of the high-school mean-girl fear I still brought along with me and was projecting on others who didn’t deserve it. I guess we all have our own emotional baggage. I just carry a lot more of mine around with me. :)

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anna October 21, 2009 at 3:14 pm

But if there had been pressure to join the Death Eaters, how would we know? I mean at this point, you’re like Snape at the end of the sixth book, and I’m Harry Potter (naturally) and I don’t know who to trust. Are you going to kill Dumbledore?

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Jenny, Bloggess October 21, 2009 at 3:40 pm

I *always* trusted Snape. It’s always the dark, tormented ones who have the strongest capacity for understanding and compassion.

Also, Dumbledore had it coming.

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Jenny, Bloggess October 21, 2009 at 3:41 pm

But I wouldn’t have killed Dumbledore from the first movie. He was my favorite Dumbledore. Why are we talking about Dumbledore?

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anna October 21, 2009 at 3:51 pm

Good point. Dark ones are more trustworthy.

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John October 21, 2009 at 3:20 pm

You women are all so very entertaining! The only gossipy, mean, chitchat I see is here in this post!

Cheers!
John

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anna October 21, 2009 at 3:52 pm

Thanks for your valuable insight, “John.” Men always have the best reflections on the small lives and concerns of women, don’t you think?

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anna October 21, 2009 at 3:53 pm

Honestly, “you women,” “John”? Are you posting from 1942? Is this my father-in-law?

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Alias Mother October 22, 2009 at 7:16 am

I might add, too, that I see very little gossip and nothing particularly mean in anything here. The organizers are holding this event up as a model for how women can connect with each other. We are discussing it from that viewpoint and analyzing whether or not it succeeded. From my wee little outsider POV, no, it didn’t. But then, I don’t think BlogHer particularly succeeds either. Is it mean to say that?

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anna October 22, 2009 at 7:25 am

I think that “John” is one of those men people who think that when women get together to discuss something, there is always tea, sewing, and gossiping. But I’ve been called mean before and will be again. There are times when I truly am mean, though, and I don’t think this is one of those times. But cf. my post “Be Nice” for more thoughts on this topic.

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Juliet Grossman October 21, 2009 at 4:54 pm

As someone who has attended various events in different male dominated industries (Comdex — yes, I was once young & cute enough to be eye candy working my company’s booth; building trades convention; tons of lawyer conventions), I can attest that the sponsors & hosts put together just as crappy/cheesy sponsored stuff as this. This sounds Oprah-esque in its presentation (love love the yoga mats w/color coordinated bags, and yes, orange is very ashram-spiritual.) Oh and Comic Con has these various invite-only events w/all sorts of gimmicky stuff (like a “blood-like” drink made from blood orange soda for a vampire TV show eg.)

The whole inner sanctum aura of this is really fascinating. It’s like the Star Chamber. Thanks for posting because I really had no idea this exists. AND I just got back from a woman blogger convention. In Las Vegas.

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anna October 21, 2009 at 6:03 pm

Oh, I absolutely don’t doubt that PR people put together stuff like this all the time. They have stuff like this at BlogHer, too. It’s just not usually for 30 people. And a whole sponsored weekend at a winery, is all.

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Laurie October 21, 2009 at 5:27 pm

I was not a fan of the Broad Summit concept for one reason and one reason only, and that was a publicly-displayed RSVP button that no one could click on, and a publicly-displayed Web site that had no apparent purpose other than to advertise an exclusive gathering. I didn’t think that was cool. No matter which way I thought about it, I couldn’t justify it in my head. I wasn’t sad not to be invited because I just wouldn’t have been, and beyond my rsvp issue I have no stake in why it was held, how it was financed, or why the attendees went. It was their choice to participate and I don’t judge because, well, it’s just not my place to do that.

That said, I don’t think it’s necessarily right to parse out invitees based on blogroll and try to determine who is friends with whom and to what degree. My blogroll is a mess. Not everyone I like and care about is on it, mostly because I am lax in maintaining it. I am also uncomfortable with considering why individuals weren’t included. I am a reader of Sarah Brown’s and know that she is out of the country for the remainder of the year. I read Heather Armstrong occasionally and noted that she lost her grandmother recently and know that she is busy with her life. Maybe it just didn’t work out to leave an infant and new kindergartner for a weekend. Who knows?

Of course there’s a hierarchy, the world is full of endless lists and reasons why people are on them. I’ve been around the online writing scene for four years and have my own strange, sprawling community. That’s why I like the events I go to, because I choose them, they are open to everyone (for the most part, I know not everyone can afford to travel or pay for conferences. IT is a stretch for me but it is important to do it so I do it.)

And finally, I am not a mommyblogger. I don’t have children and I am included in some of the very communities in which the Broad Summit participants – and thousands of other bloggers – participate, and some of them that they run. When I looked at this event, I did not see it as catering to mothers, in large part because I see the women who attend as being identified beyond their identities as parents online, either because they are more widely known as business owners or designers or because, in at least one case, they do not have children. Drawing conclusions about mothers who blog or how they are marketed to or how they behave is not necessarily correct in the context of this event, or any other blogging conference (or any conference, or summit, or powwow, or confab, etc., for that matter) that is not specifically targeted towards mothers/parents/families. When we are seeking not to stratify (I think) I am always confounded when a different kind of stratification is brought to the center as the issue.

Just my opinion, of course.When it comes down to it I think anyone can do what she wants to do. Just keep your rsvps to yourselves. :)

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anna October 21, 2009 at 6:10 pm

I don’t really have a stake per se in this, but I don’t like the shroud of secrecy that seems to surround these kinds of events. I’m hearing lots of positive stuff about this event, which is great. It was still something that made people feel bad: whether because they weren’t invited, or because there was some kind of RSVP public/private divide.

As far as the analysis of the blogrolls, you can certainly disagree with my methodology, but I feel it’s relevant to my analysis. Maggie’s blogroll has been recently updated. I don’t use a blogroll, personally, so I know it’s not perfect methodology, but it’s what I have to work with. The “text” is there for everyone to see, and we all analyze it, whether we admit to it or not, whether it’s clearly articulated or not. Why post a blogroll at all if you don’t want people to know who is on it?

You’re right about the mommyblogging term, and I hesitated to use it while I was writing the post because it doesn’t fit, stritcly speaking. But when you talk about many of these women, they are in fact known for blogs heavily associated with the “mommy blogging community.” Some of them have “mom” in their url. And much of the sponsorship clout has to do with said association. So that’s why I ultimately used the term, but I don’t really know that it matters all that much in the grand scheme of things . . . but then, I’m a parent, so I guess that’s a privileged point of view in this instance.

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Deb October 21, 2009 at 11:05 pm

Most of the dismissive commentary I’m aware of centered around the website, and specifically the odd opt-in newsletter field that said “Saaaay. You’re a fancy-pants blogger with a great site and a winning smile. What’s a girl got to do to score an invitation around here?” The great but challenging thing about publishing and marketing online is that mixed messages (which you described: friends v. elite v. open) just don’t bear up under scrutiny. More power to them for this gig and I’m sure the relationship building opportunity was worth it for the invitees, but if being admired was one of their goals it probably would have played better without games like “what’s a girl got to do” snark.

The symbolic devotion to booze in the blogosphere doesn’t bother me as much as hearing about bacon and Zombies have worn me out. I just wish we could really go Hollywood and have cocaine around at more of these parties.

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anna October 22, 2009 at 7:22 am

LOL. True, why are we limiting ourselves to just alcohol? Maybe if the ad revenues would beef up we could work in more hardcore drugs.

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Laurie October 22, 2009 at 9:48 am

Yes – a moratorium on zombies and bacon is in order. The latest item from the J Crew catalog too.

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anna October 22, 2009 at 10:27 am

You know, zombies and bacon are probably a more pressing concern to the blogosphere as a whole. They are permeating everything, and I’ve been wasting time with this Broad Summit recap.

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Mom101 October 22, 2009 at 11:29 am

I love that women are changing the rules. I love that they can put together their own weekends of lounging, discussing, critical thinking, eating, drinking, yoga-ing and celebrating and not be held to some patriarchal model of how to do it and how not to do it and how to interract with sponsors. (Sponsors who recognize the value of influencers, which these women clearly are.) Maybe what they discussed that weekend will benefit all of us. Maybe it just benefits them. In any case, I don’t imagine it detracts from those of us who weren’t there in any way and if it’s not hurting me, I’m not sure why I should pick it apart or cast aspersions on it.

It seems only nature that as a community grows larger that individuals find comfort in smaller sub-communities of like-minded people.

Full disclosure: I wasn’t at the event. I wasn’t invited. I didn’t follow it. I didn’t think much about it. And I didn’t click over to the website until just now. Some of those women are my friends. Some are my colleagues. Some are not. Some are moms. Some are not. I respect a whole lot of them. And I admire how proactive they were in putting together an event that would interest them.

I love celebrating the doers, over the talkers.

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Kerry October 22, 2009 at 1:08 pm

In that case, we are all going to have to shut up about the Croctomom. She was a doer too. Plus, her actions weren’t hurting us, so we can’t pick apart or cast aspersions on that either.

Unless, of course, the actions of one or two or a bunch of bloggers reflect on the whole crowd. Because, you know, sometimes that happens. Especially in a new field. Especially with women. Especially when crazy straws are involved. It sucks that it happens, but it does.

Plus, professionals tend to look at what their colleagues do, or order to figure out how best to move forward themselves. That’s why accountants talk about Enron. That’s why doctors talk about health care reform. That’s why HR people talk about David Letterman (I’m so freakin’ sick of talking about David Letterman I could spit). Other professions have figured out that this is a healthy exercise. Why would the profession of blogging be any different?

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Mom101 October 22, 2009 at 1:15 pm

You think this event makes our community look bad the same way a woman extorting a marketer for free product makes our community look bad? Interesting.

I’m all for critical analysis. I just think when it gets mixed around with a lot of sour grapes and admitted jealousy, it clouds the discussion and makes otherwise smart points less compelling.

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Kerry October 22, 2009 at 1:29 pm

I don’t know if it does or not. I think it’s worth discussing, though.

This event is certainly much higher visibility and involves much more prominent members of the profession than the Crocs thing. Also, the Croctomom didn’t necessarily intend to make herself the topic of discussion; she just intended to get some free shoes. The Broad Summit folks very obviously wanted to be discussed. I think it’s strange to suggest we shouldn’t talk about them when they went to such great pains to ensure we did exactly that.

I think any such discussion is going to include sour grapes and jealousy (admitted or otherwise). That doesn’t mean, though, that the discussion isn’t worth having, or that all of the people doing the discussing are jealous, or that even the jealous sour-grape-eaters don’t have something intelligent to add.

I don’t have a dog in this hunt; I’m not a mommyblogger, and as I said before, I’d never even heard of all but one of the attendees, so I’m definitely not jealous. My interest is more focused on the business impact of the behavior. I also get frustrated by the fact that so often, when women criticize other women, it’s automatically dismissed as jealousy or sour grapes…as if having feelings about this thing negated one’s ability to think. It feels very “Mad Men” to me, to suggest that a bunch of “jealous” women couldn’t or shouldn’t intelligently discuss how their profession should interact with the people who have the money.

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Kerry October 22, 2009 at 1:35 pm

Clarification: when I said the Croctomom just intended to get some free shoes, I wasn’t defending her. if she behaved as described, her actions completely suck. Just to be clear.

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Mom101 October 22, 2009 at 1:46 pm

Well then, I take issue with the fact that I see jealousy (because it was brought up specifically several times in the post and in comments) and I call jealousy, and suddenly I’m perpetrating a cat fight. I’m not one to yell “you’re just jealous!” But then, no one here has yet to articulate one positive thing that may have come from the event. A true analysis would require looking at the up and the down sides of such things. Or maybe, it would be good to get some input from the women who were actually there? Otherwise we’re all just the people on the other side of the velvet ropes talking about how bad the club inside probably is anyway and how the drinks are watered-down and the deejay sucks.

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Kerry October 22, 2009 at 2:05 pm

I agree completely that it would be great to get some input (positive or negative) from the women who were there. I’m disappointed that only one of them showed up to share her thoughts. I think it’s odd…but then, I don’t know any of the other woman, and I blog in a different genre where the rules may be a little different.

But definitely, I agree with you that it would be helpful to hear from the organizers/attendees on what the goals/objectives were, whether they were actually met, and where they go from here. You can’t have a complete analysis without that.

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anna October 22, 2009 at 1:39 pm

I would add something but in the interest of full disclosure I’m still reeling from the suggestion that I’m acting as an instrument of patriarchy by sayiing mommy bloggers are too obsessed with alcohol.

Also, that “talking” is not “doing” in a blogging community.

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Kerry October 22, 2009 at 1:46 pm

Oh, I’ve known you are an instrument of patriarchy ever since you made me buy that fancy mascara on that Consumer Fetishism post. Only an instrument of patriarchy would want me to have pretty eyelashes.

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anna October 22, 2009 at 2:02 pm

Touché. I might as well take off these shoes and get back to baby making.

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anna October 22, 2009 at 1:42 pm

Also, that all the CSS I’ve been buried in for the past month is not “doing,” nor the critical analysis I employed in the writing of this post. Because if so, I’d like all of Monday morning back, please, as well as the money I spent to procure my PhD. Because it’s not real work unless it involves a weekend retreat replete with sponsored yoga events.

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Mom101 October 22, 2009 at 1:50 pm

I’m not saying you don’t do anything Anna. I think it’s a really well-considered post in a lot of ways and you’ve clearly put effort into the analysis. I just see so much of tearing down in the blogosphere without posing constructive solutions. I loved seeing the bloggers in the past year who didn’t like the conferences out there so they started their own. Or how Grace Davis was miffed that mom bloggers get disproportionate attention from marketers so she started her own community to try and change that.

Apologies if my line seemed like an attack on you personally. It was not meant to be. I guess it would just be nice to see what comes out of all this…beyond criticism.

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anna October 22, 2009 at 2:06 pm

Thanks. Here’s how I see it playing out, and perhaps I should have made this clearer in my post, but when I said this:
“how does an event/ set of actions strengthen (or weaken) the blogosphere as an industry? how will this event/these actions reflect on me as a businesswoman in the same industry? is this a model that I can/should adopt for my own business? and the like.”

I was suggesting that I’m evaluating this (and everything) with this lens: should I do this? Would I benefit from this? Would the community benefit from this? Etc. Thing is, I CAN’T do this at present. I’ve only been blogging a little over a year, my sponsorship connections are limited. I cannot throw a party for the elite of the blogosphere unless I pay for it myself. That is a position of privilege, the same as any other. Saying people should throw their own parties when they have no access to sponsors is like saying, “Hey, you kids in the inner city, buck up! Find your own texts to read if your school doesn’t supply them.”

This kind of an event is not a possibility for me or most bloggers at present. So I am thinking about, when it is, is this what I want to do? Is this the kind of thing I think is good for my business. That’s why I analyze and criticize, it’s not to take down anybody or cast aspersions.

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crunchy October 22, 2009 at 2:16 pm

“how does an event/ set of actions strengthen (or weaken) the blogosphere as an industry? how will this event/these actions reflect on me as a businesswoman in the same industry? is this a model that I can/should adopt for my own business? and the like.”
and would any other ‘demographic’ be treated this way is what I wonder..

I do know that the online movie geeks get shipped all over on junkets by studios..they do this because they know it creates buzz and will usually garner their movie positive reviews.

I am sure tech types get similar…

However I don’t think other avenues of sales get such comfy cozy treatment by companies and pr folks.

The internet review has totally turned advertising and marketing on its head.

and yeah…while these events cost business way less than traditional advertising and I hope are useful for them and the bloggers….not everyone has the chance to be on either end of these things.

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ilyka October 22, 2009 at 2:11 pm

I just see so much of tearing down in the blogosphere without posing constructive solutions.

Yeah. Funny, that!

What solutions should any woman, busy in your estimation or no, be expected to offer regarding an event limited to 30 attendees? Not that Anna didn’t take a good stab at doing so above, but really? Maybe you’ve got that much spare time in a day, but I don’t. Nor do I have the connections, the time, or the money to rustle me up a conference of my own every time I grimace at some other conference. “If you don’t like it, roll your own” is an easy blowoff and, like all easy, feel-good proposals, it solves little.

If, on the other hand, what comes out of the Broad Summit is a commitment by its participants to throw open their networks, share their resources, and help other women organize their own confederacies of Zicam, I mean, EMPOWERMENT, then that would be awesome and go a long, long way to cutting down on the sniping, backbiting, bitchery, whatever you want to call it that necessarily results when you throw in women’s faces that some women deserve all-expenses-paid winery weekends and some don’t–not to mention the agita you gin up when you rub salt in the wound by suggesting that the ones who don’t just need to work harder and quit their bitching.

I don’t think any of that truly community-building stuff is actually going to happen, because I think the folks upthread who opined that this event’s exclusivity is considered by its participants a feature, not a bug, are probably correct. I’d be delighted to be wrong, though.

Don’t even start me on how, in this economy especially, “you too could have your own Broad Summit!” is some clueless priviileged bullshit. I’ll be here all day and then Anna will ban me. Boo!

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crunchy October 22, 2009 at 2:19 pm

I agree..but then that would just make us jealous and bitchy right!!!

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anna October 22, 2009 at 2:27 pm

I LOVE MY READERS THEY ARE SO SMART.

If anybody should be jealous, it should be people reading this who don’t have my readers. Because they are the best in the land.

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jonniker October 22, 2009 at 5:07 pm

Well, that’s just it, Mom101. What should/could come of it, I don’t know. What DID come of it, were a lot of bad, crappy feelings from people who felt it was exclusionary and it seemed to work against the idea of community. Personally — and I genuinely mean this, and would be straight with you if I was — I wasn’t jealous or envious (I don’t know Maggie personally, ergo there was no reason I should be invited), but I didn’t like feeling that an event that was closed to me was being MARKETED to me — ew, is how I felt. EW. And the very idea being thrown in my face that *I* could throw my own party just like it was … well, a little insulting to me, that THAT should be the key takeaway for the rest of us, for a variety of reasons.

I articulated my feelings on HelenJane’s post much more clearly here, explaining why, in my view, it wasn’t well received. I think if nothing else, articulating the backlash in an intelligent, honest way will perhaps help people who DO want to do these kinds of events, do it better, and in a way that doesn’t piss people off.

I’m all for doing your own thing and not worrying about what people think, but I’m not a fan of pretending you’re building a community and being “inspirational” and then being responsible — intentionally or no — for exactly the opposite. You want to know what I was inspired to do? I was inspired to be more inclusive in my life and think about how I present things to other people to make EVERYONE feel welcome. Which is the opposite of how Broad Summit made a lot of people feel.

Other than that, Ilyka below said everything I wanted to say and then some. Her comment is perhaps one of the smartest I’ve seen on the topic.

The vast majority of the criticism is not around what happened at the event — I believe it was lovely, and I, too, consider several of the attendees friends (and again, do not hold their attendance against them one whit — how do you NOT go to something like that?), and I have no doubt we all could have learned something. But for now, the most important lessons are not in the event itself, but in how the publicity was carried out. And I think there are plenty of lessons that are blatantly clear from these comments, and they don’t necessarily need to be spelled out.

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Mom101 October 22, 2009 at 5:15 pm

“I didn’t like feeling that an event that was closed to me was being marketed to me”

That is the best and most concise articulation of the issue that I’ve seen here, and now I understand much better. Thank you. I suppose because I didn’t pay much attention I just didn’t have any feelings about it either way. Just seemed like one other thing that someone else was doing while I was busy doing something else.

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jonniker October 22, 2009 at 6:20 pm

Honestly, that’s it for me. It was being pushed — in the form of sponsors, a public website, a lot of deliberate chatter about it (that was, it was explained, necessary to satisfy sponsors) — and people were encouraged to follow along on Twitter. And yes, the site had a little sign-up so people could sign up to hopefully “score an invitation” (their words) to a future event — not, as organizers claimed, to learn more about how to put on your own event. If that were true, the wording would have been much different. The whole thing appeared to imply exclusivity and yet a vague glimmer of hope for … I’m not sure what. But it definitely felt that it was being foisted upon us, for reasons that were not made clear.

It was rolled out very oddly, but yes, had the event just happened and then we all found about about it later so we COULD learn and/or been publicized a different way — perhaps with the sign-up being more encouraging, rather than desperate-sounding — then things would have been much, much different.

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anna October 22, 2009 at 2:08 pm

And furthermore, the reception of these things is fascinating to me! I received pretty much nothing but kudos for a similar post I wrote deconstructing Dooce’s problematic behavior of late, and how it reflects on her and the blogosphere in general. Yet, I talk about an event thrown by people who are, admittedly, far more likeable in the popular imagination, and all of a sudden I’m tearing down instead of building. Curious.

For the record, you’re all pretty.

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Jenny, Bloggess October 23, 2009 at 10:09 am

Well, I do like being called pretty. :)

Just a quick story to share for perspective. Years ago, Laura (one of the hosts of the Broad Summit) and I started hosting blogging parties here in Houston. This was before I was “the bloggess” and before she invented “Kirtsy” and (much like now) we didn’t have any money so we just found a restaurant that would give us a room for free and then we advertised it on the blogs we wrote for at the time and told people they’d have to pay for their own meals because we were poor. We didn’t charge for it or do it for publicity. We just did it because we wanted to meet people like us and Laura’s good at throwing parties. No one really knew us and we didn’t really know most of the people who came but it was fun and nice and cheap and what’s kind of neat is that we met all these amazing people who were just normal under-the-radar bloggers who would have thought of even going to blogher as something only crazy, attention-starved people did. Years later I’m still friends with most of these people and so many have gone on to achieve amazing things and are now “blog celebrities” but to me they’re still just people I met at a party for poor bloggers who couldn’t afford to leave town. I guess what I’m saying is that although the Broad Summit was an awesome party, it didn’t make it any cooler than a party thrown in some dive with a bunch of people who were amazing even though they weren’t “internet famous”, which, let’s face it, is not really famous at all. My point is that anyone can throw a blogging party and although you might not have a bunch of sponsors and A-listers there you will probably have a bunch of amazing local people to meet who are just as fascinating. Besides, A-listers are highly over-rated. And they drink too much. And they don’t have any money because they quit their job so they force you to get sponsors to pay for their hotel. And then people criticize you for having sponsors for a party even though it’s your guests fault for quitting their jobs in a terrible economy. Fuck. I think I just figured out that this whole post is my fault. Sorry guys.

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anna October 23, 2009 at 5:13 pm

I knew it. I knew you killed Dumbledore.

Bottom line is that I don’t want to throw my own party. I like to sit in my house and isolate, and write nasty things on the internet, you fancy pants Bloggess, so stop being all inspirational and shit.

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Grace Davis October 23, 2009 at 12:57 pm

Mom 101? Thanks for mentioning me here on Anna’s badass and brilliant blog. I am honored and humbled.

It is true, what Mom 101/Liz Gumbinner mentioned, I was ticked that more women bloggers who are not solely identified as mothers (“walking wombs” as the smart and blog-savvy marketing guru Susan Getgood would say) are not invited to partake in marketing/promotional activities. These PR people\ need more women! So, I created, well, More Women, shamelessly linked above. Do join us, abdpbt readers.

And, not unlike the much beloved Jenny Bloggess, we put together our own retreat, more on the model of globally successful barcamp http://barcamp.org/. We call it WoolfCamp, as in Virginia, as in a barcamp-of-our-own. This is more my speed and style, sitting on a living room floor with glorious geek types like BlogHer All Stars like the aformentioned Liz and Sarah Dopp and Elisa Camahort. women who have worked tirelessly championing and elevating the stature of the women’s blogosphere. Not only did we have many seasoned blogger vets on board, but quite a few beginners and wanna-bees showed up and draped themselves on sofas, chairs and floors around the camp (in homes, as we like the cozy as well as snooping into each others medicine cabinets), getting the good geek word and code.

We are very proud to be sponsored by the geeks who developed the wiki and a hippie – Social Text http://www.socialtext.com/ the wiki gurus, and famous triple A blogger nakedjen’s organic herbal tea company Dream Sweet Teas http://www.dreamsweet.com/index.shtml. We can also boast of a celebrity presence – Susie Bright, sex positive author who, besides being an accomplished academic and woman of letters, had a brief but memorable role where she played herself in an episode of ‘Six Feet Under’. Can’t touch that.

Anna, this link laden commentary is not meant to serve as a “there-there, you can do your own thing” pat on the back. Ask my kids, I’m not much of a soother or back patter. But, I have always believed in saying “fuck-it, let’s roll our own” (not said to the kids!) and I have found, much to my delight, that this has worked quite well for me.

Peace in the ‘hood, friends.

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anna October 23, 2009 at 5:15 pm

Yeah, and you can can it with the inspirational shit, too! I don’t want to throw my own party. I want to make fun of people for throwing their own parties. When are you people going to get it?!

In all seriousness, I do admire that you started your own thing. That is really cool.

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VDog October 23, 2009 at 4:53 pm

I didn’t even KNOW about Broad Summit until someone mentioned it yesterday.

I think I’ll have an ultra-exclusive crackertastic party at my house with 40′s and pizza delivery. Sounds about right.

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anna October 23, 2009 at 5:37 pm

Maybe you can get OE to sponsor an X-box round or something? Just throwing ideas out here.

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Alice October 23, 2009 at 6:52 pm

Another Broad Summit attendee here, hello!

I think your analysis and the ensuing comments are neither mean nor gossipy. Did I miss something? (John?) It’s perfectly valid to admit to jealousy or negative feelings about the event, and I don’t think that makes you incapable of having an opinion.

I don’t want to speak for the event organizers, but I think that the impetus for the “summit” came from the feeling that all the best experiences and conversations they’d had at conferences happened in the slivers of time between the organized events. So why not put together a weekend that was solely comprised of quality time–where you could connect without having to run to a panel or a keynote after a few minutes?

I know some of the commenters here have wondered what the positive aspects of the weekend were, and I could share with you everything I got out of it–which was a lot–but wow, it’s hard to not feel like I’m rubbing salt in the wound. But I’ll say that the feeling we all left with is that we wanted to do more of this. Not get lots of free stuff–although I won’t lie, that was nice–but connect with amazing people we only know online. Just connect.

As for the wine tasting (and drinking), I have to say, I didn’t see anyone even a little bit drunk at this event. It’s possible that any drunkenness was overstated for humorous effect, and I will agree with you, Anna, that that particular joke has become…tired. (If it was ever not tired.) Or maybe I just slept through it?

Now — you’re all invited to my apartment. There’s a lot of cat hair, and I think the crackers have those flour weevils in them. Come on over!

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anna October 23, 2009 at 9:41 pm

Hi Alice, thanks for offering your perspective. It certainly sounds like everybody there had fun, and the event looks like it was extraordinarily well-planned. I’m glad that you took the criticism in the spirit it was meant, which is to discuss it as objectively as possible with the caveat that it did look like such a great event and it would be absurd for me to claim I wouldn’t want to be a part of it. You are lucky, though, that I live in LA, because otherwise I would take you up on your invite to your apartment, because I’m a huge fan of your writing. But enough hero-worship. I’m off to write more nasty things about people on the internet.

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Alice October 23, 2009 at 9:54 pm

Come on over. I have some cheese. Well, cheese SLICES. They’re individually wrapped!

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Kerry October 24, 2009 at 7:33 am

Won’t you be surprised when all of us fangirls show up on your doorstep.

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Alice October 24, 2009 at 8:17 am

I’m going to have to buy some new crackers, aren’t I. Well, so be it. I’ll be ready for you.

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Grace Davis October 24, 2009 at 7:18 am

Speaking for myself, I’d happily indulge in snackin’ at Chez Finslippy. Kraft ‘Murican Cheeze and buggy crackers? I’ll bring the Two Buck Chuck.

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Dorothy October 25, 2009 at 8:55 am

Another Broad Summit attendee here as well. Wow, what an interesting discussion! I stumbled upon this blog because I admit to vainly having a Google alert on my name, which was published in full here, and lo and behold – hello!

I’d like to be entirely unoriginal and echo basically everything that Alice has said. The one thing I would like to add, however, is that in terms of working with sponsors for unconferences, summits, etc – if you do want to throw your own – well, I think you’d be surprised by just how eager brands are to reach women who blog.

It may seem like a strange waste of money on the sponsors part, but after 6 years of working in online advertising, you’d be fascinated by what terrible ROI advertisers can get on campaign spends that are in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Being able to give a well-known blogger a product in a fun-filled setting, even with no contractual obligation for them to write about said product, can actually be a very savvy investment.

By the way, lots of traffic isn’t a prerequisite for a sponsor to get involved with a site. Brands often want to get in on the ground floor with newer or niche blogs. When my site launched, I was able to score all sorts of fantastic prizes for my first party. And I didn’t even have any traffic yet! So if anyone reading this is thinking, hey, I’d like to organize something – I’d encourage you to put together a media kit and reach out to brands you admire. It could be the beginning of a business relationship that could work not just for event goodies, but for monetizing your content as well.

All that said, while the sponsors of the free fancy skincare stuff and yoga mats were lovely at summit, obviously it’s the thrill of meeting people you’ve only “known” online that makes any such event worthwhile. So yeah, if someone I followed online threw a “40s and pizza delivery” party, I’d totally be there!

Bottom line: fantastic post. You’ve raised lots of interesting questions … gonna go mull them over a bit more. I just felt the need to share my experience with brands as a newish site. Hope it was helpful!

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anna October 25, 2009 at 8:10 pm

Hi Dorothy:
Thanks for stopping by, and for sharing your information about how you were able to approach advertisers. This is the kind of thing I’d love to see more of in the community, sharing resources, or saying, “hey, this worked for me — try it out!” Very inspiring. I think sharing these kinds of things are what I would be most interested in at these kinds of events. The free stuff would be a nice perk, but talking shop would be even better.

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